Move over, Ivy League. West tops universities

UCSD ranked second best educational institution

Early earnings for University of California at San Diego grads is $58,600.
  • Early earnings for University of California at San Diego grads is $58,600.

The University of California at San Diego is the second best educational institution in the nation, according to a new ranking of universities and colleges by Money magazine.

Among the factors going into the study are graduation rates, tuition charges, family borrowing, aliumni earnings, average student debt, early career earnings, and median SAT/ACT scores. Princeton is number one: its grads haul in $69,800 a year out of school. But early earnings for second-place University of California at San Diego grads is $58,600.

California schools take over the big slots, muscling out Ivy League schools. University of California at Irvine is 3rd, University of Calfornia at Los Angeles 4th, Stanford 5th, and the University of California at Berkeley 7th.

But look at those heralded — indeed, worshipped -- Ivy League schools that dominate other college rankings as well as such institutions as the Supreme Court: Yale 15th, Harvard 16th, Dartmouth 44th. Among other normally highly rated schools that are kicked downstairs by the magazine are the University of Chicago 37th and Swarthmore 42nd.

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Nice, finally, good news for Cali. Kids can afford to stay after they graduate.

shirleyberan: True. But they still have to find housing and must handle college debt. That's one reason so many go to work in biotech, where salaries are much higher. Best, Don Bauder


Very few grads from CA schools will be presidents, senators or CEOs of Fortune 500 companies. It's not what you know, it's WHO you know Back East.

swell: I agree. The Ivy League schools still dominate the Supreme Court, and their grads get top jobs on Wall Street, because of family connections back East. Best, Don Bauder

clockerbob: I believe it is pronounced Hahvahd Yahd. Best, Don Bauder

Forgive me for my continued skepticism of these rating systems and the results they produce. This system of ratings seems simpler and more transparent than many, but I still doubt those starting salaries. There is no way to verify salary claims made, and I've always questioned them, in that those who do well may tell the truth, but those who do not tend to inflate.

Locally we can brag a bit about this high rating; let's just not take it too seriously.

Visduh: These rankings have long been challenged. How do you rate one university against another? How do you tell which university has the best American history department, or business school? Best, Don Bauder

If they'd rather live on the East Coast they're already unbalanced. Don - I gotta share this with you and your audience: CNN has "A History of Comedy" special series where I heard Bobcat Goldthwait say, "Censoring the Artist is the Ultimate Obscenity". Pretty smart for a guy from NY who used to be nutso.

shirleyberan: I worked for nine years for a publication based in New York City. I was in Chicago and Cleveland. I lived in terror of being "promoted" to New York. Best, Don Bauder

Mike Murphy: The survey touched on student debt. I don't know that any students or ex-students were interviewed. I think not. Best, Don Bauder

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