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Which Tamara Green we talking about?

Cosby accuser's rocky career as attorney documented

Tamara Lucier Green is making headlines for relating her story of entertainer Bill Cosby drugging her, abusing her, and satisfying himself sexually in her presence in the 1970s. She is quoted now as Tamara Green, but in 2005 when she made the same accusations, she was quoted as Tamara Lucier Green. Lucier is her maiden name. Both in 2005 and this year, her lawyers have said that Cosby has no recollection of either a Tamara Lucier or Tamara Green.

Some media call her a retired lawyer, but she is still listed with the State Bar of California as an active lawyer. However, her bar listing gives no phone or fax number or email address, or information about her undergraduate education. Her Fallbrook law firm address, 1199 S. Mission Road, #129, is actually a UPS mail drop. A person there confirmed that there is no other business at that address, and a number at the address is a mailbox, not an office number.

Green says she has been permanently warped psychologically by her Cosby experience, and the bar's information on her might confirm that. On the other hand, Cosby's attorneys may say that the bar records suggest that she has psychological problems that may antedate her Cosby experience.

As the records reveal, she was in the bar's Alternative Discipline Program (ADP), a program for attorneys with substance abuse or mental health problems. She was terminated from the program in 2005 because she was not in compliance with it.

In late 2005. she was suspended from practice of law because of three client incidents. In one, she received and lengthily retained a payment of $20,000 that was owed to the client. She finally made restitution, but a portion of the funds were misappropriated, said the bar.

In another case, Green took $1000 from a client and then failed to do the legal work. In the third case, she failed to appear at trial on behalf of a client, and had not arranged for another lawyer to take her place. Her client phoned the office number and found the number was disconnected. Green had moved her office without notifying the client.

She was suspended for two years and until she made restitution to the clients and provided proof of rehabilitation of her problems. Green "has a mental health problem," said the bar, noting that she had not "undergone a meaningful and sustained period of rehabilitation." She was told she "must obtain a mental health evaluation from a licensed psychiatrist." She must have done so, because she is now a member of the bar in good standing.

I was not able to reach Green.

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This could turn the tide for Bill, if she was the only accuser. But she is only one of ten or eleven accusers.

Which sort of boost her claim that she suffered mental torment from the sexual assault.

MichaelValentine. Yes, there are many women who have come forward. Also, Cosby is not well liked inthe industry, I am told. Best, Don Bauder

MichaelValentine: I did not mean that this should turn the tide for Cosby. I have heard from an excellent source in Hollywood that he is widely disliked there. He has personality problems, I am told..

This may or may not be a Filner-type coup -- the so-called victims being rollerd out on cue. Best, Don Bauder

Considering that all the accusers are past the civil suit time limits there isn't the financial interest that the Filner accusers are in line for.

There also isn't the political consideration that Finer's accusers, women, media and billionaires had. Also Filner's actions if proven wouldn't get a PG-13. Nobody accused him of rape.

So what is the up side for the accusers? Closure I'm guessing. I have no idea what the ramifications of being raped are but I can guess that none of them are helpful in maintaining one's good mental health.

MichaelValentine: Good point. Some Filner accusers got rewarded. Others, as revealed by the Reader, were untrustworthy people who wanted some kind of reward. (What did the sheriff expect when he set up a hotline? That hotline was of dubious legality, too.) Most of the women who complained about Filner's behavior were not city employees. Hence, the parade was for show, and for political purposes. Best, Don Bauder

Sigh.

On with the wild conspiracy theories again.

Let's accept basic reality on a few things.

  1. Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK.
  2. Elvis is dead.
  3. Barack Obama was born in the USA

and

  1. Bob Filner sexually harassed many women.
  2. Bill Cosby raped many women.

You can come up with wild conspiracy theories or accept facts.

ImJustABill. And Darren Wilson is innocent as a lamb because a grand jury said so. Best, Don Bauder

I'm gonna pass on commenting on that one.

ImJustABill. Why pass? Everybody has an opinion on that. Best, Don Bauder

OK Don you talked me into it.

From what I've read of the indictment originally a lot of eyewitnesses initially said Brown had his hands up, was ready to surrender, and was executed. In particular Dorian Johnson (Brown's friend) stated that Brown had turned around with his hands up when Wilson shot him.

But turns out in many eyewitnesses who had said Brown was shot in the back later on said that was just what they had heard. And multiple autopsies all agreed that Brown was shot from the front while he was bent forward (which corroborate's Wilson's story).

So as a case it seems all the prosecution had one close eyewitness who's story didn't match other eyewitnesses nor physical evidence. I don't think Wilson was proven factually innocent but it seems to me Wilson's story is likely true. So I don't see how there was even a remote chance of convicting Wilson of any crime - no prosecutor in the U.S. would take a case like that.

I think here's why the Brown/Wilson case will be a divisive issue.

I believe there are some real issues with police unfairly targeting minorities in the U.S. and that many minorities are upset about that (e.g. Driving While Black). So those communities were looking for a focal point to raise awareness about those issues. I don't want to dismiss those issues but I don't think the Brown/Wilson case was a good case to raise awareness about unfair treatment of minorities (which people like Eric Holder and Al Sharpton have done).

It's tragic when a young man dies - but I don't think the majority of people will see Brown as a victim. We'll never know for sure what happened but I certainly think the most likely explanation for Brown's death is that he physically attacked Wilson in such a way that killing Brown was the only way Wilson could protect himself.

I think ultimately more police agencies will start using continuous video - protects both sides from differing stories.

ImJustABill: Lawrence O'Donnell on MSNBC has brought out some great points. The one witness who was perfect for the prosecution told several contradictory stories, including whether he was 100, 75 or 50 yards away. Any of those is a very long distance, particularly when there were other contradictions in the so-called witness's testimony.

But most importantly, the St. Louis County assistant D.A. misstated the law when instructing the jury. She handed them a copy of a Missouri statute saying police were justified in the use of such physical force as he or she reasonably believes is immediately necessary to effect the arrest or prevent the escape from custody. But that had been overturned by the Supreme Court six years earlier. The assistant D.A. conveyed the idea that Wilson didn't feel his life had to be in danger for him to be legally justified in killing Michael Brown.

O'Donnell pointed out that the grand jurors listened to Wilson's testimony while thinking the statute was in effect. Much later, the assistant D.A. told the jurors vaguely that "part of the case law" did not comply with the Supreme Court's ruing. One juror asked the assistant D.A. if the high court's ruling overrode state's law. She gave a non-commital answer, according to O'Donnell and media that have written on the story, including rawstory.com

Then the assistant D.A. told the jurors "Don't worry about that," and her colleague said, "We don't want to get into a law class." This is all part of the public record. This was reprehensible and, I suspect, deliberate. Best, Don Bauder

I don't think there is absolute proof that Wilson is innocent. But to argue that somehow Wilson should have been indicted is another thing completely. There is absolutely no way that he would be convicted in any U.S. court with the contradicting evidence. If it wasn't for all the scrutiny regarding this case I think the D.A. wouldn't have wasted 5 minutes trying to get an indictment.

I do not agree with your suggestion that was a deliberate effort from the assistant D.A. to tank the case. Everyone in Ferguson and MO has a microscope up their backside due to this case. The entire country has bent over backwards accomodating the protesters in this case (e.g. in San Diego I-5 was shut down by protesters in clear violation of several laws but nobody was cited or arrested). With all the scrutiny in this case the notion that the D.A. would intentionally tank the indictment is difficult for me to buy into.

ImJustABill: Sorry. Missouri officials twisted the entire case to make sure Darren Wilson got off. This is not unusual in killings by police. Wilson could have handled the situation -- and we still don't know exactly what happened -- in many ways that would not have resulted in Brown's death.

Right now there are other cases that are just as bad. A New York City African-American was choked to death on suspicion of selling cigarettes in an unlawful manner. Three or four cops took him down and one applied the killing chokehold. A youth in Cleveland was shot and killed by police within seconds of the arrival of the squad car. The boy (12, as I recall) was waving a toy gun. This was ridiculous. There was another case in St. Louis not long after the Wilson/Brown incident that was just as reprehensible.

There are multiple ways to handle such situations. What are laser guns and pepper spray for? Brown was running away after he was shot. Cop Wilson is a murderer. Best, Don Bauder

I don't see how we know that Wilson is a murderer.

I will say that it is suspicious that the gun wasn't fingerprinted - that should have resolved the case one way or another.

ImJustABill: Since several witnesses reported seeing Wilson shooting a young man who had raised his hands, an indictment should have been automatic. There was enough evidence to go to trial. Then if that evidence was not convincing, he could be let off.

But St. Louis tried him in front of the grand jury. This is not the way it is done. The whole thing was staged to let Wilson off. Best, Don Bauder

NO INDICTMENT OF NEW YORK COP IN CHOKEHOLD DEATH. A lawyer for the family of an African-American man who was killed by a white New York City police officer using a chokehold said today (December 3) that he has been informed that a grand jury cleared the officer of any crime.

The lawyer said he was astonished because there was videotape of the African-American being held in a chokehold, and complaining he could not breathe.

The grand jury could have indicted the police officer, Daniel Pantaleo, on a variety of charges, from murder to reckless endangerment, and didn't indict on any of them. A chokehold is banned by New York Police Department rules.

Another video showed police and paramedics apparently making no effort to revive the victim as he lay motionless.

Mass protests are expected in New York and possibly around the nation. There have already been peaceful protests over the New York incident. Best, Don Bauder

Not surprised at all. The last NY cop to be indicted, a couple of yrs ago, had the charges thrown out because the prosecutors gave improper instructions the grand jury (on purpose??) and a second grand jury failed to re-indict. The ME ruled the death a homicide and that a chokehold contributed to it. This cop has been sued by three others in just the last couple of years, so expect a wrongful death lawsuit and a LARGE settlement.

He could have been disliked in the entertainment industry because he was expressing some non-mainstream attitudes about how fellow blacks should handle themselves and how they should adapt to society. He made some speeches on those topics, and they undoubtedly rubbed some influential people the wrong way. If you're going to protest the handling of the Filner fiasco, then you have to wait until this plays out fully, including any court cases that may result. Otherwise he'll fall victim to the same sort of hysteria that swirled through the Filner coup d'etat.

Visduh: Yes, the hysteria in the Filner coup was key to the outcome. City Attorney Goldsmith in his TV appearances -- and apparently in his (up to now) private emails to favored news media -- was one of the ones whipping up the hysteria for his own political and, I suspect, economic purposes. The press -- except the Reader -- gobbled it up. Best, Don Bauder

FYI: martindale.com shows a different address in Fallbrook, and it also shows her degrees (B.S. and J.D.): http://www.martindale.com/Tamara-Lucier-Green/279409-lawyer.htm

Before I posted this, I found a Santa Barbara College of law but in this cursory look I did not see an indication that it is connected to the UC system. I will check that. Best, Don Bauder

What is happening to Cosby illustrates perfectly how times have changed. I spoke to my buddy "Al," who grew up during the 60's and 70's and he said he doesn't understand why Cosby is being attacked. Al says, "In those days, you met a woman and she popped a pill and you popped a pill and then you both drank some peppermint schnapps or some other cheap crap and then you smoked some weed and screwed your brains out." Today, apparently, that constitutes rape; but Al says back in the day, that was called "dating."

I could hear what Al was getting at. I noticed quite a few of the ladies accusing Cosby state that he "gave them a pill." They don't say, "He held a gun to my head and made me take a pill." Seems to me some people don't understand what can happen when you do drugs. Not to make excuses for the man; he may have gone too far. but as the old saying goes, when you play with fire...

JavaJoe25: When I was in high school in the 1950s, it was considered indiscreet to kiss on first date. Only a decade or two later, things had really changed! By that time, I was a father of two and living the family life. I guess people of that 1960s/1970s generation would say I missed out on life. Best, Don Bauder

You probably didn't miss anything other than losing your mind and catching an STD, Don. The fact that you are living the good life now shows you made the right decisions.

JavaJoe25. Well, my brain did not get fried, although some on this blog would disagree. Best, Don Bauder

(Good ol' boys club? Locker room humor?) The narcissists, belief is if a young woman was naive and stupid enough to trust him, then whatever happens to her - he does to her - is her own fault. He doesn't see a passed out woman (18-20 what) as someone to protect. Now we know it's not consensual and this ain't the 60, 70, or 80's. These women are supporting each other, no lie. His past caught up with him, that's funny. If you could see it from our perspective, so often lack of respect for girls/women. Scumbags are continually targeting (SDSU) girls because they are some of our most vulnerable. A man knows the difference.

Shirleyberan. At this point, the victims sound credible. Best, Don Bauder

Here's what I wanna say, a passed out person cannot and is not giving her consent to be assaulted, you dumb dicks.

Shirleyberan. Indubitably. Best, Don Bauder

Not you Don, they know who they are. Happy Thanksgiving.

shirleyberan: You have exonerated me from rape charges. Except I have never been charged with rape. I have been charged with being a jerk, though, including on this blog. Best, Don Bauder

An unconscious female with a male without conscience is problematic.

shirleyberan: That's worse than problematic. Best, Don Bauder

Don - Doesn't count if a jerk says you're a jerk.

shirleyberan: I think most people who are called jerks automatically assume the ones expressing the sentiment are also jerks -- right or wrong. Best, Don Bauder

Elaine Farrell: Code Pinko? I haven't seen those words used before, but they seem to suggest that certain organizations -- including the ones you named -- are fronts for socialist organizations. I disagree, but you are entitled to your opinion. To me, this seems like McCarthyism revisited. Best, Don Bauder

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