Traffic Cop Questioned in Encinitas

Photo by Steve Amster
  • Photo by Steve Amster

Last week, Steve Amster, owner of Garden State Bagels in Encinitas, confronted a Sheriff's Dept. motorcycle traffic officer positioned in his store's parking lot at 191 N. El Camino Real.

After seeing the officer point the radar gun at passing motorists for several minutes, Amster said he approached the officer and asked what he was doing. According to Amster, the officer responded that he was raising money for the City of Encinitas.

Amster said he then asked the officer who gave the him permission to be on private property. The officer reportedly responded that the business's driveway wasn't on private property. Amster said when a car backs into one of his customer's vehicles in the multi-business parking lot, the Sheriff’s Dept. won't respond, claiming the parking area is private property.

Then Amster pointed out to the officer that he was parked against a red curb in the driveway, and part of his motorcycle was blocking the sidewalk. He asked the officer to leave. According to Amster, the officer responded that he must not want deputies to come to his bagel shop. Amster said he then told the officer, “Your fat ass has never been in my bagel shop. You're eating at the donut shop.”

I asked Amster if he thought it was okay to say that to a guy with a badge and a gun.

“I can say anything I want to him as long as I don't touch him or threaten him.” Amster then told the officer that as long as the officer remained there, he was going to stand in front of the deputy’s radar gun, blocking the beam so his friends, neighbors, and customers wouldn't get expensive tickets. After a few blocked attempts to measure the speed of oncoming motorists, the officer left the area.

Comments

The cop speaks the truth: they are raising money (and lots of it). It's not traffic safety. They do no respect private property or private citizens. If a radar cop writes 10 tickets a day @ $350/ea thats $3500/day and x 20 = $70,000/month. The red-light cameras in San Diego (each make >$65,000/day -- that's as more than a grocery store). The highway robbers today are the cops. They confiscate cars, write tickets: hold up bandits, raise costs) The judges (justice?) assume the cop is correct so they do not decide a case .. they order you to traffic school (more revenue - more force). You (citizen) do not have an opportunity to say one word. Is that justice? Or is it robbery (taking by force of arms) Think about it. You are assumed guilty and your money is taken by threat and it happens to thousands of private citizens every day.

Thank you Omnipop for posting what everyone already or should know.

I have fought just about every moving violation/infraction ticket I have ever received, starting when I was 16. I have done probably over 50 contested traffic trials, including 5 in a 10 month period back in 88, and if you preprare your case good and effectively cross examine the cop you have adecent chance of winning.......

Are you saying all those tickets were yours? Or those of clients? If you have had 50 tickets during your life, you need to take a hard look at your driving. Seriously.

All mine, the 50 may be a little high, but I have 40 + for sure.........like I said, I started going to trial on the very first moving violation I received at age 16, it was a bogus ticket. I averaged over 1 per year and I have been driving well ofver 30 years. Like I said, those 5 in a 10 month period spiked my average!

Visduh, I was an awful driver, no accidents but frequently used to speed. Also used to not wear my seatbelt. I have had at least 5 seatbelt tickets, and yes, I even fight those, won numerous seatbelt tickets by default when the cop no-showed, and lost one where I should have won IMO (was searing the shoulder portion UNDER my arm), so at least 10% of my tickets were for not wearing a seatbelt. The last ticket I fought was for supposedly having an obstructed license plate- that was a cop whopper if there ever was one-and yes I won that, because the cop wrote the wrong VC section on the citation (still would have won even if he wrote the correct VC section).

Let's separate & clarify the issues (and I'm not entirely innocent in traffic adherence): Should there be traffic laws? IS IT FAIR for people who break those laws to get a ticket? Is it RIGHT to beat the tickets just because you can? (And if you do, how can you criticize a cop for exactly where they set up speed traps?) Now the where: Check with the PD: can a cop set a speed trap on public property? Some here say yes; haven't checked but I bet that's right. NOW for the cops: Should he block ped. traffic or q crosswalk? No. Cops are imperfect people just like YOU and ME (and we'd like mercy too) Solution: IF it's actually causing you a problem, ASK him to move a little bit! If you are reasonable, hopefully he will too. But honestly, do you think that if he was in a ped. crosswalk and a wheelchair approached, do you think he would just obstruct them stubbornly? THAT should be reported to his supervisors. He shouldn't do that and they should deal with it. Should you mouth off to a cop and use crude language/call names? ASK YOUR GRANDPARENTS. Be real. And here's the most significant issue: Should anyone, anywhere, anytime celebrate a cop's (or anyone else's) death? A bad cop should be exposed, disciplined, suspended, &/or punished. Keep the issues separate, straight, clear, and - RIGHT.

Is it RIGHT to beat the tickets just because you can?

Well, it is called due process of law and guaranteed to us under that pesky Constitution.........so yes, it is right, if the GED educated cop can't win a ticket in court they have no business writing it in the first place.

As for " reporting" cops to their "supervisors", you have to be kidding me!!! Do you know how many complaints are upheld????????? I know one medium sized police agency that had not substantiated a SINGLE complaint ii over 7 full years, thousands of complaints filed yet not one was upheld....you are either a cop or related to one.

how about this version of the above question: If you are actually guilty of the infraction, is it still right to beat the tickets just because you can?

Yes, it is rigth-even if you are guilty, because the duty of proof is on the one making the allegation, if they cannot prove it then they should not make the charge, regardless of the guilt or innocence. The fact is guilt or innocence is almost never black and white and many times falls in the gray area. A good example is the Basic Speed Law, which states you can drive at any speed that is safe for the conditions, regardless of the posted limit. Many times it is perfectly legit to drive faster than the posted limit but some cop with a RADAR or LASER gun wants to write 20 tickets at $500 a shot, and that is a good example of right and wrong being subjective. Another example is the cop or DA using two standards in charging -unequal application of law, that is another example of when it is right to win despite guilt.

so let me make sure I understand you. It's ok to break the law, so long as you believe the charging authority can not prove it, do I have that correct? Also what is this "Basic Speed Law, which states you can drive at any speed that is safe for the conditions, regardless of the posted limit"? Can you provide documentation of this law?

No, you are not clear on my position, if the "law" or anyone else wants to charge ANYONE with a criminal act, THEY need to prove it, the party making the charge needs to prove their case-and that is whether you are innocent or guilty, otherwise we would have Star Chambers again.....I thinnk if you google basice speed law and CA you will find teh answer, it is-I belive from memory- VC 22350, but dont quote me on that one.

Yeah, I don't need to google it. It is CVC 22350. But it doesn't state you can drive at any speed that is safe for the conditions, regardless of the posted limit. No where does it say that is perfectly legit to drive faster than the posted limit. What it says is that no person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property. In other words, the maximum speed may be considerably lower than the posted speed limit, depending on condition of the roadway. As for the first part of your comment, well that's just typical lawyer speak. We all know that it's not a lawyers job to find the truth, it's to get their client off. We also know that there's a difference between being innocent and be found not guilty. Obviously, it the the charging authority can't make their case, then you're found not guilty. So let me rephrase the question. Forget the legal stuff, all the due process. Do you feel it's right when a person is found "not guilty", for what ever reason, even when they are are not "innocent". I don't mean in legal terms, I mean your own personal opinion. Is it right when someone who has clearly broken the law gets off when they are not innocent, regardless of the crime. Is it ok when someone commits murder and gets away with it because of incompetent prosecution

The basic speed law stands for the fact that you can drive at ANY speed that is safe for the conditions -it is perfectly legal to drive above the posted limit if it is safe to do so- I have been in court on this law so many times it would make your head spin, I know the case law on 22350 inside out, your comment is simply wrong, you Can drive above the posted limit if safe to do so and I have used this law in this exact manner and been aquitted more than once when driving over the posted limit-the part you do have correct is you have to drive below the posted limit if the limit is unsafe for the conditions. As for the first part of the comment, our system is set up so innicownt people are not convicted, and the burden of proof is always on the accuser, always, that is not legal or lawyer talk, that is our constitutional rights udner our system and if it were any other way we would be back to the Star Chambers.............

No where does 22350 say you must go the posted limit. It is perfectly legit to drive faster than the posted limit if conditiosn allow it.

Here is what 22350 states;

"No person shall drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than is reasonable or prudent having due regard for weather, visibility, the traffic on, and the surface and width of, the highway, and in no event at a speed which endangers the safety of persons or property."


Posted speed limits have nothing to do with the basic speed law, and the language is very clear in 22350, if it is safe to go X MPH then you may do so, regardless of the posted speed limit. If the posted limit is 30, and it is reasonably prudent to go 35 then 22350 allows you to.

BTW- many times the posted speed limit is BELOW the engineered survey limit, which is need to use any type of RADAR or LASER enforcement.

Correctamundo Harriet. Except you also have CVC Section 22349 Maximum Speed Limit which states: Maximum Speed Limit 22349. (a) Except as provided in Section 22356, no person may drive a vehicle upon a highway at a speed greater than 65 miles per hour. (b) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, no person may drive a vehicle upon a two-lane, undivided highway at a speed greater than 55 miles per hour unless that highway, or portion thereof, has been posted for a higher speed by the Department of Transportation or appropriate local agency upon the basis of an engineering and traffic survey. For purposes of this subdivision, the following apply: (1) A two-lane, undivided highway is a highway with not more than one through lane of travel in each direction. (2) Passing lanes may not be considered when determining the number of through lanes. (c) It is the intent of the Legislature that there be reasonable signing on affected two-lane, undivided highways described in subdivision (b) in continuing the 55 miles-per-hour speed limit, including placing signs at county boundaries to the extent possible, and at other appropriate locations.

CVC Section 22356 Increase of Freeway Speed Limit to 70 Miles Per Hour Increase of Freeway Speed Limit to 70 Miles Per Hour

  1. (a) Whenever the Department of Transportation, after consultation with the Department of the California Highway Patrol, determines upon the basis of an engineering and traffic survey on existing highway segments, or upon the basis of appropriate design standards and projected traffic volumes in the case of newly constructed highway segments, that a speed greater than 65 miles per hour would facilitate the orderly movement of vehicular traffic and would be reasonable and safe upon any state highway, or portion thereof, that is otherwise subject to a maximum speed limit of 65 miles per hour, the Department of Transportation, with the approval of the Department of the California Highway Patrol, may declare a higher maximum speed of 70 miles per hour for vehicles not subject to Section 22406, and shall cause appropriate signs to be erected giving notice thereof. The Department of Transportation shall only make a determination under this section that is fully consistent with, and in full compliance with, federal law. (b) No person shall drive a vehicle upon that highway at a speed greater than 70 miles per hour, as posted. (c) This section shall become operative on the date specified in subdivision (c) of Section 22366.

I am specifically talking about the Basic Speed Law, which allows you to go over the posted speed limit, and you specifically said it did not-yet I proved to you that it does. The MAXIMUM speed law does limit the maximum speed of 70 MPH on a FREEWAY, which is not what we were specifically referring to-or at least I wasn't. I was talking about local cops-like the one here in the article- enforcing LOCAL speeds on local surface streets. But you now do admit that the Basic Speed Law does allow you to go over the posted speed if conditions allow, which you said earlier was incorrect, that you could not exeed the posted speed even with the BSL-is that correct?

Except you referred to CVC 22350 as the basic speed law, not me, and it specifically refers to highway And no I don't say that allows you to go as fast as you want. You're a lalwyer surfpuppy619, so your profession has no basis in truth or what's right. It's based strictly on winning your case and as such it's your nature to make your own interpretation to suit your viewpoint. That's fine. I think you're wrong and you think you're right. Let me conclude my participation in this exercise by saying this. You have , by your count, at least 40+ tickets. Irregardless of how many you beat and how you beat them, that speaks volumes to me about your driving. I'm nearly 62 and I started driving when I was 13. You can do the math, but I have been driving almost as long as yuo have been alive. I have received exactly 4 tickets and have never had even a single point on my record. One was a nonpoints violation that might have cost me $20, one was for going 32 in a 25 which I took traffic school for and the other 2 were exceeding the posted speed limit on the freeway. I was innocent of both so I fought them and won both. My driving habits apparently don't draw as much attention as yours do. But then again, I guess if some one needs a lawyer to fight a traffic ticket for them, I suppose they would want one with a lot of "experience". Don't forget to buckle up and HAPPY MOTORING!!!!!!!

No one needs a lawer for a traffic ticket, anyone can go in and fight one. You said the basic speed law does not allow you to go over the posted speed limit and i said it does- you were wrong, so just admit it, and if you would do a fast google search of that you would learn very fast the case law. As for my driving habits-I have freely admitted here many times that they were not the best when I was younger, the fact is I have not had a traiffic citation stick in 14 years, only had one (speeding) violation in that period, in 2009, and it was a bogus 22350 charge,and the judge agreed with me, the 50 MPH I was clocked at was safe for the 30 MPH zone, based on various conditions which I dont have room to go into here..............

actually you're wrong. Oh, let's count the ways..

The city gets about 2% of state traffic law citations. It doesn't even come close to covering the officer's salary.

Traffic enforcement is successful in creating a deterrence. It's proven. That's why you crap yourself when a cop pulls in behind you.

You can speak in court. You're called the defendant

You're not threatened for your money. You're simply mailed a bill and given a court date if you so choose.

I've never heard of a radar cop before. Do they search for incoming UFO's?

Just sayin...

Yes, the city only gets about 2% back from the state from the traffic citation itself - that's why cities tag on a multitude of extra charges and fees.

Come on, how else to you expect 'em to pay for those BMW motorcycles?

Attend just part of one day in Traffic Court (Kearny Mesa) and you will be amazed at the people who you share your roads. The place is overflowing with ticket holders. Each and every day I can't believe how many yahoos I still see casually using a cell phone while driving. They remain clueless to the hazard and the law. Maybe the huge fine isn't enough to convince them. Perhaps a day in jail would make a difference. Not likely. The guy at the bagel shop has some huge balls, any maybe some other issues.

I am no fan of the cops, but this is over the top....

I'm surprised to see such Liberterian sentiment here, though I guess it makes sense considering all the Ron Paul posters around San Diego. The sooner people understand that state government is violent force the sooner we can transition to a more peaceful and productive society. The government and police create and cause most violence in this country.

I recommend everybody who's interested in a society without inherent violence Google 'voluntarism' 'voluntaryism' 'anarcho-capitalism' 'Libertarian', and watch YouTube channels such as Adam vs The Man, Freedomain Radio, LearnLiberty, and ReasonTV.

You should join a gang. You could participate in the gang's criminal activity when you're not at work...oh wait. You don't work. You collect welfare and spend it on weed.

Just another completely ignorant post by ponch70 the troll.

Get on your bicycle and ride away ponch........

I love ReaonTV, that guy that wears the black clothes is too cool, always see him on cable news discussions.

Steve has come into my store and talked to myself I see him all over Encinitas, he is a brilliant man who is just passionate about protecting his community from bull shit.

My dad is FAR from a moron. He didn't graduate from high school and he runs a successful business that has survived the through economic fall. Ya, he may be opinionated and obnoxious but hes awesome and probably MUCH more successful then you. Some of his assets include: 2 homes, one is an oceanfront property, a corvette, and a street bike. So you my friend, can suck it easy.

Sounds like a good place for a robbery. I wonder if the cops will be delayed by lunch when he calls them?

Captain, the cops are paid $200K a year for a GED job, if they do not do their job they will be fired or sued, one or the other, maybe both.

hey poncho70....all we have to do is look at your replies to see who the real moron is......YOU!

Steve is an outstanding businessman and entrepreneur who does not care for "legal theft"!

Way to go Steve!!!

Thank you Steve, for standing up for the nonsense that is threatening to make Encinitas become the next Carlsbad with cops doing nothing more that bilking the public for minor speed infractions to stuff the city's pockets. The speed trap on HWY 101 in Carlsbad has been rolling in the dough for 10-15 years, and now there's a motorcycle cop on 2nd and 3rd Streets in downtown Encinitas doing the same thing, ad nausea.
How about the Police spending the day near school campus looking for drug dealers, or real criminal activity and public drunkenness in downtown and DUIs that are REAL THREATS ?? Speed traps are despicable, in my opinion, any where, any time, any place! Steve, you rock!!!

The number one complaint BY CITIZENS in Encinitas is speeding. They have a complaint log and respond to areas that get complaints. So you can blame your fellow citizens for the areas that get attention. By the way, you don't have a problem with somebody like Steve driving erratically down the road at exceeive speeds? He's the driver that you curse at when they blow your side mirrors off!

I say to the cops...write away!! hand out more and more coupons

hey ponch70....how long ago did you join the police/sheriff's department?

You're definitely sound like a troll from the department.

You want them to write away huh? That's probably because you can only afford a bicycle to get around.

poncho70 doesn't have the balls for that. The most he would do is do a ride around.

His highlight of the ride would be to get his free donuts and coffee.

I will never eat at this bagel shop. This owner is pathetic. I will make sure that I tell the 2000+ co-workers of mine to spread the word of not giving this guy business. Next time someone is speeding and kills your family member in Encinitas, visit the bagel shop. Have him tell you the cops are worthless and that speeding driver was in the right or did not mean to hurt anyone... after all he is just protecting his neighbors and friends, right?

Me thinks this is the donut eating cop in the article........

Relax. The owner's point was that the cop was blocking a sidewalk, and didn't have permission to be on the property. Had the cop been called to the property or had probable cause, then he would be in the right. But to set up a speed trap on private property is not legal. What's to say Officer Two-Wheels couldn't set up shop somewhere else? You're acting as if that was the only place in Encinitas where the cop could do that.

Actually, this isn't correct. Private property open to the public carries no prohibition against police using it for enforcement purposes. And no probable cause is required for him to enter upon property open to the public.

Also an officer is allowed a fair amount of leeway in enforcing the law, which can include violating vehicle code sections the public is subject to. Meaning, he can likely block the sidewalk.

Now, If the owner or his agent doesn't want the officer there, I suppose he could demand he leave. However, a lessee of a business on the premises doesn't have the same authority over the entire parking lot.

Actually a lessee has ALL the rights of the trust deed owner, once that lease is signed there is no legal difference between the lessee and the trust deed owner, except the trust deed owner no longer has the rights to the real property subject to the lease. Don't know who is advising you on your real estate law sfmc, but you are wrong-again, for the second time here..........and if the property is private all the owner or lessee has to do is say you're out of here and it is game over, property no longer open to the cop. Me thinks you need to go back to the academy and retake some law classes.

n1184p...by your assessment then we must need a cop with a radar gun on every street in Encinitas then huh? Wouldn't what some victim killed by some speeder would we now? Btw, how many people have been killed by speeders in that area?

Maybe we should just turn into a police state then. That'll do it won't it?

Ticket giving cops are nothing but legal thieves. Also that 2000+ workers must be the ones from the Sheriff's Department right?...lol

How about the Police spending the day near school campus looking for drug dealers, or real criminal activity and public drunkenness in downtown and DUIs that are REAL THREATS ??

Because it's impossible to catch and to stop. The war on drugs needs to end, it's a violation of human rights and is the cause of most crime in the world.

Have him tell you the cops are worthless and that speeding driver was in the right or did not mean to hurt anyone... after all he is just protecting his neighbors and friends, right?

I can't tell if this is sarcasm. Cops are worthless, and useless. They're corrupt thugs that spend their time harassing innocent people just so they can flex their power.

Stinker, do you think this is Vista?

And you're an anarchist who spends his time supporting things that tear society apart...make our kids stupid (and obviously adults too), and cry out against the moral majority. You don't have any kind of respectable job, you collect social welfare at the expense of those that do. The world would be a much better place with even fewer numbers of pot-smoking, Heroin injecting libs that sit back and dream of utopia as they see it. Tell all the families and loved ones that the drunk or high fool that drove into their baby girl and took her life is not a criminal....oh that's right...You defend idiots so as not to bring attention to your own kind!

ponch70....some of what you said is correct........but don't get too excited.

Back to the story......I loves Steve's pic of the legals thieves that ride around all day looking to steal money for their city.

The cop rode away and went to the nearest doughnut shop.

Yeah....he had to invest time into keeping that lard ass and fat belly going.

i have witnessed the same officer putting his motorcycle not only on the sidewalk but actually blocking the egress of anyone needing to cross the street in a wheelchair or otherwise.

he does it all over encinitas.

i suggest people post pictures of these infractions and mail them to the city treasurer to ask why he isn't being fined or suspended for breaking city and state laws.

cameras are very good witnesses.

that is all for now.

All the deputy has to say is that this is the best vantage point and safest location to catch speeders. They are granted exceptions for enforcing the law. Might not like it, but that's the reality.

Hate to break the news to you sfmc, but cops have to follow the rules/law too- like the rest of us-and they do not get to break the law of private property, or get an "exception" as you put it. In fact they should be held to a higher standard......that's reality.

I live very close to where this incident happened, and it is not "the best vantage point nor safest location to catch speeders". Best location for the officer, being that it's close not only to the sheriff's station just a stones throw away, but a doughnut shop to boot!

With the Encinitas City Council recently approving a very questionable under-funded financing 'scheme' for the Hall sports/dog/skate park and improvements for Moonlight beach, seems to me the officer spoke volumes when he said he was "making money for the City of Encinitas".

That's the reality.

And we think your are stupid poncho70! Btw, is 70 your IQ?

Steve Amster, owner of Garden State Bagels in Encinitas, is an idiot. Amster is a tenant in the strip mall. He had no authority to tell the motorcycle officer to leave. As a consumer, I will never visit his bagel shop. People like him have no respect for the law. When his bagel shop gets robbed, who is he going to call? His friends, neighbors, and customers? I can't believe the reader printed this trash. It is one sided.

Of course the cops won't help him. Boy they'll show him huh Oscar.

"To serve and steal" should be on the side of their vehicles.

REALLY, doesn't Mr. Hamster have anything better to do. Why would having a traffic cop in or adjacent to your parking lot be offensive? Maybe, it's because he's doing something he's ashamed of, or something illegal. Or maybe he's just some loud mouth pot-head that's exercising his first amendment rights. Sometimes just because you can do something doesn't make it right Mr. Hamster.

As for Ponch sitting in the Hamster's parking lot stopping a few speeders, what harm does that do to the Hamster? Is a ticket a pain in the backside? Yes, but YOU earned the presence of Ponch asking for your DL and insurance.

Maybe, if you don't like the way the law is, you and your friends, Mr. Hamster should all get together in your commune and discuss it and smoke some weed over it and you'll feel better, till you get the munchies and you all can eat your hash bagels.

Just pull out your 215 card, get to the co-op, get your herbal medicine, inhale deeply. Now don't you feel better. Now be a good Hamster and stop bothering the nice policeman. He's just doing the job that our society demands of him and trying to earn an honest and honorable living. As for the rest of you cop haters "GET BENT" go live somewhere else if you don't like it. It's still the best damn system in the world!!!!!

I think when the gov is charging $500 for a speeding ticket, or about 3 weeks of take home pay for a typical lower end job, a ticket is more than a "pain in the backside"......

All I can say is don't speed, follow the laws of the state, and your backside will not feel the pain.

OTG, you hit the nail on the head. If you follow the law no pain. As for the lower end job. SO WHAT, take a couple of weekends of public service picking up trash along the freeway in one of those stylish orange vests.

Traffic court has the discretion to allow public service in lieu of a fine, and 99% of the time they refuse it, and make you pay cash-and like I said earlier, it is a scam to charge $500 for a speeding (and most other) violation. Sort of like charging $150 for parking citation.

Ooh boy.....you're such a good citizen Oscar!!

You'll actually take that as a compliment huh?

@stinkfingerp2...nice policeman? lol..That's a good one. So you endorse legal thievery huh? You need to go wash your fingers.......they're stinking up the room again.

All I can say is don't speed, follow the laws of the state, and your backside will not feel the pain.

All I can say is charge a fine that is equal to the violation, maybe if we didn't comp GED employees who have a semi skilled job $250K per year with OT we could have fines at a level that is proportional to the offense.

First, I know of no street cop that makes $250 k. Their bosses maybe (Lt and abv). Second, you can't get hired anywhere in southern Ca as a cop with only a GED. It just doesn't happen. Maybe, in Imperial county where no intelligent life exists, but not in metropolitan Southern Ca. BTW most of the agencies in Southern Ca. require at a minimum an AA or AS to be considered for a position, and with the fierce competition for these jobs a lot of agencies are only selecting persons with a BA or BS.

As for the minimum wage worker, SO WHAT!!!!! Don't violate the law! Don't park over the time limit or where you're not supposed to. In other words, iIf you can't do the time, don't do the crime.

Your assertion that cops make $250 k with OT is laughable, as I said maybe Lt's and above but your typical street cop at best makes $150 k with OT and thats working double or most likely triple the standard work year of 2080 hrs based on a 40 hr work week. So, for someone that in reality has a fairly high skill set and puts their life on the line every time they go to work, I think it's money well spent compared to someone with NO SKILLS makin bagels, flippin burgers, makin tacos, mowin lawns, etc... BTW minimum wage should be abolished or seriously reduced and let the market decide a fair wage.

Oh yeah, did the cop in the original byline mouth off, unprofessionally? I don't know but if as Hamster asserts that he did, the cop needs some time to reconsider his actions maybe a day or two on the beach (for the uninitiated that's cop speak for suspension without pay). Unprofessional conduct as a cop is intolerable and needs to be addressed. No matter how pissed you get as a cop you can't run your mouth (even if it makes you feel better), and believe me there are plenty of people out there like the Hamster that enjoy pissing of the cops, and responding in kind shouldn't be done.

First off, I said "COMP", not "MAKE", and they ALL "COMP" in the $200K+ range before OT. You sound like the typical GED educated, unskilled/semi skilled cop that has the brain power of a circus chimp. Compensation is pay PLUS everything else, including the multi million dollar "retire" at age 50 pensions. And it is very common to easily get $50K in OT, some are getting $150K in OT. And cops do not have any "high skill set", that is so laughable I almsot spit my milk up on the computer screen, they are GED jobs with on the job training- you didn't go to college or any other institution of higher education to get hired, you were hired and PAID to go thru occupational training. And leave it to someone like you to make the bogus claim that cop put their life on the line.... 7-11 graveyard shift employee is 100 times more dangerous than cop. You cops are no different than any other semi skilled occupation. I personally think you are the cop in the story, or you are one of his buddies since you just joined here 2 days ago and this is the only story you have commented on................LOL pretty soon you're going to come out with that whopper that you clowns all die 2 weeks after you retire.

Last, as to your comment that you can "not run your mouth" at a cop, are you saying the 1st Amendment no longer applies when addressing cops?? Hmmmm....please fill us in on when it was abolished.

How long have you been a cop StinkyFingers?

Your pensions are overblown too! Your union bosses have done a great job in destroying the economics of every city in California as well!

SurfKitten you've obviously used your 215 card one time too many. I didn't say run your mouth at a cop. I said as a cop. Which means the cop shouldn't be spoutin off when he's pissed. I never said that the first amendment should be abolished. I believe in the first amendment even when I disagree with the content of the speech. I also said that if the cop in the story was behaving unprofessionally he should be sanctioned.

As for your assertion that that I only have a GED you're sorely mistaken. Likewise, you're mistaken on the level of education required for a law enforcement job in this area. My best guess is that you're some sort of 60's left over antiestablishment type that has an advanced degree and lives in his/her parents home and can't get a real job and probably work at the 7/11.

No, I'm not the cop in the story, nor do I know him. I accidentally stumbled on this story while looking for something else.

Actually you're mistaken on the educational requirements required for a law enforcement job in CA. You can take a look at any of their websites, LAPD, LACSD, SDPR, SFPS OCSD and they all say the same thing: Education Graduation from a U.S. high school, G.E.D. or equivalent from a U.S. institution, or a California High School Proficiency Examination (CHSPE) certificate is required. A two-year or a four-year college degree from an accredited U.S. or foreign institution may be substituted for the high school requirement. In fact, th only major metro area on the West coast that I can think of that requires any college at all is Portland. Now, if you want to go big league, then yeah that's true . To join the NYPD, you have to have 60 college credits (with a least a 2.0 GPA) from an accredited college or university. The only exception to this requirement is if you have completed two years active military service.

I never said you had a GED (though I strongly suspect it!), I said you may be hired with only a GED into the job, and many are as the infamous Mark Furnman was.

I have no idea what a "215 card" is, I suspect it is some medical pot card or something similar. Just let us know what it is instead of using the cop jargon. As for working at 7-11 or any other job, it is an honest living, and it would not embarrass me to say I did do that job if I did-but you did not dispute that the graveyard shift there is 100 times more dangerous than your "sit on your chair shaped butt 80% of the shift" job and write reports. I do laugh at your typical cop response, that because I can shoot down the whoppers you so freely spout off that I am anti-[insert whatever here]. Just answer the question, canyou or can you not be hired with a GED or HS diploma.

Last, I misread your comment, you were indeed speaking about the cop not spouting off and not the citizen, if that were only so true! The fact is many of these HS educated, semi skilled LE employees have huge ego trips and think they can say and do whatever they want, maybe that is not you- but it is very common. I guess someone forgot to tell this cop to not act unprofessionally (Skip to the last 20 seconds)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7Kw9-... .

surfpuppy619, A 215 card is an MMJcard. It refers to prop 215. It's not really cop jargon. Most people I know understand what it refers to and I'm a little surprised you didn't.

I never heard of it. I had a feeling it was something that had to do with pot. I don't care if someone smokes pot in their home, as long as they are not hurting anyone or driving or putting others in danger, they can do what they want IMO. Not for me but I am not going to try to preach or impose my life style on others who like to have a drink or two, or party.

Most officers/deputies have a four-year college degree. Some have their master's degree. They earn 79,000 + a year. Not 200,000.

Most bagel shop owners have an 8th grade education and a long criminal record.

Less than 20% of cops in CA at hire have a 4 year degree, 80%+ have only a GED or HS diploma, and less than 2% have a post BA degree at hire, and the REQUIREMENT to be hired is not a college degree, it is a GED. If oyu want to change that go petition P.O.ST. Your GED cop "talking points" on't work here. http://post.ca.gov/

They earn 79,000 + a year. Not 200,000.

No cop in CA comps only $80K, no cop in CA comps less than $200K, and with OT is is $200K-$350K.

poncho70..stop displaying your intelligence level. We know you're stupid....we are convinced already.......shees.

Btw, when did you conduct that study of Bagel owners?

Hooray for Steve Amster!

I really don't care about whether the deputy was there "generating revenue" or saving hordes of children from reckless speeding drivers. Law enforcement needs far more respect for individual liberty and private property. If you want to invite the PD to sit on your property and stick it to people, go right ahead. Mr. Amster did not want them on his property and has every right in the world to tell them to get off of it.

We need more Steve Amsters.

Actually [edited] Steve has no right to tell anyone to get out of the parking lot. By the way. There are 12 tenants at that location. How do you know that one of the other tenants wanted the deputy to be there?? You don't. Steve is just a little angry old man whose brain has gone to mush because he drinks the coffee that he sells

Well dummy (poncho70) as an American citizen he has all the right in the world to do this. It's tyrannical individuals like you that want to take our freedoms away. Btw, what did you drink to turn your brain into mush? Was it the mouthwash or was it when you sniffed too much glue?

I hope Mr Amster is never a crime victim because boy is he never going to get any help from the police after this.

Steve obviously can handle matters on his own like a big boy

YES HE CERTAINLY CAN, hes not a pussy like you who lays on there back for everyman in uniform that comes your way, ahahahhaha LAYS ON HER BACK AHAHAHAHAHAH

Has anyone been by the bagel sty. Armster is a tenant. He has no right to tell anyone to get out of the parking lot. If he had an issue with the motor cop, he needs to go through his property management. I can not see the property management telling the Sherif Department to stay way.

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about, just as you didn't whne you posted this same comment earlier, tenants have the SAME rights as the trust deed owner, in fact once the lease is signed they have more rights b/c the trust deed owner no longer has rights to the property while the lease is in effect. Property managers have no say in the matter at all, they are there to do two things, collect lease payments and fix any facility issues.

Really, Why don't you enlighten us on your tenant/landlord rights. I guess if I go and talk with the pizza shop owner, he would probably have a different take on what you are posting. Oh yeah, there are more than one tenant in that complex, not just the bagel sty.

HELLO!!!!!!!!!!! Red curb = No parking. Cops included. Dumb dumb

ponch70..what's your point goofball? Go look up the law and save us your ignorant assumptions.

You guys are really excited about this story - Thank you!

Errrr....I think I did just "enlighten" you about the law....if you want to know more about "tenant/landlord rights" go get a real etsate brokers license...I am not paid to school you in- it like I already have the past few days on your uninformed comments.

Steve from Golden State Bagels is a total loser. I've been in this town for years....[edited] All I have to say is, "Steve, make good friends with the local gang bangers and dirt bags, b/c no self- respecting cop would ever come to your aid after reading this. After all, you don't need anybody to help you, right? Tough New Yorker.

What kind of idiot confronts a cop and goes off on him while he's working?? You stood in front of his radar? You ARE stupid. You're actually lucky you weren't arrested for interfering with an officer in the course of his duties. By the way, STEVE. You know you're lying about the officer's comments...[edited]

there are no gang bangers in encinitas....

poncho, poncho.....you were there right? Golly you speak with such authority.

How many years have you been panhandling in Encinitas?

What...did Steve refuse to give you a free bagel?

Well if we say something to a cop and then they won't help us. Much like you don't let me win you not playing with my ball. Why do we have cops anyway? What do we need them for if we are on our own because one cop is butt hurt over being told he can't do what is illegal? Why do we need cops? Im 50yrs old never called a cop ever. Never will

WOW, poncho70 cool sign in name, are you a police officer? Take the stick out and see the logic in this, you obviously have a grudge on steve, what you didn't like his smear in your mouth so now you had to spend the last week of your life following this post trying to back your words up, your pathetic and have way to much time on your hands, ALSO if the cop was in the right he wouldn't have left, you think of that poncho?....and for the record learn your facts before you want to talk bad about someone personally, Steves from Jersey not New York, hence the name "(GARDEN STATE) BAGELS" You took it way to far "poncho" go smoke something a chill out hater. THANKS STEVEN FOR HAVING A PAIR!!!!

suckafat1....Steve refused poncho70 a bagel when he was panhandling off duty. Harry Reid said he had a source that told him this.

Btw poncho, how do you know about the cops comment???.....Was it possibly.....YOU???

Most of the lard ass cops on bikes look like this fat ass. Guess he should put down the donuts and switch to eating healthy bagels.

I would like to say that recently been going through the so called justice system for some issues example i have a son age around 22 whom thojught that THE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE and that the courts and police are on your side . Hard reality lesson to watdh your child go through . raised him to never lie yet most of his generation does nothing but and uses the justices system and police for there own personal reason i have yet to understand another another example I have never been arrested in my life yet i have burguly charge on my record started with lying ex girlfriend my son once had and corrupted lemon grove sherrif dept. how can that happen well it did and its the truth . recently moved out towards mountains and i love it big story that goes along with this bottom line private property is just that and if your able to remind , say , enforce this with any cop for good reason you go for it . again there are very very very few good cops of anykind on the force now a days they break laws more than criminals cause i guess they can . we need to stand together and at least try and fix change etc,. justice system and police corruption right down to DA's thanks for your time

You can take the jew outta Jersey, but you cant take Jersey......

Right attitude, when the cop is on private property and best bagel ever....

I will no longer be a customer. If the Cops want to hang at my place i will make coffee.

All cops are dirty. All. Poncho is a douche.

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